Welcome to the Heavy Spoilers show! I’m your host Paul, aka your friendly neighborhood Spoiler-man, and in this video, we’re breaking down lots of major Spider-Man news.
Not only do we have major announcements on casting news, but I also have some stuff I’ve heard to tell you about how Andrew and Tobey are returning.
In this video, we’re going to break it all down, but don’t be a spider menace; make sure you hit that thumbs-up button like you’re Gwen Stacy and it’s a concrete floor. Also, subtitles f**king hell, I’m sorry guys, but anyway, we’ll move on quickly and get right into it.
Spider-Man: Andrew and Tobey Returning?
Now, Spider-Man: No Way Home ended with Tobey and Andrew returning to their respective universes, and though that was apparently the last of them, I’ve heard from my sources that they’ve been in talks with Sony to return. Andrew is probably going to deny it until the day he dies, but they are apparently planning on having him and Tobey come back in smaller roles now that the multiverse is open.
This will include voice appearances in Across the Spider-Verse. This isn’t my scoop, and huge shoutouts to Ember on Main for posting that Andrew and Tobey will be appearing in the movie as their own Spider-men. That film is set to follow Miles as he travels across the Spider-verse, and it’ll include several different versions of the character popping up.
Daniel Kaluuya has also been announced as voicing Spider-Man in the film, and there are also rumours that Tom Holland will be appearing too.
We have no idea which version of Spider-Man he’s playing because we never found out who was beneath that mask in the MCU.
Now this is alongside Hailee Steinfeld, Oscar Isaac, and also Issa Rae as Spider-woman.
There’s also apparently going to be appearances from the animated series Spider-Man from the 1990s and Spider-Man from the PS4 game. Sony obviously saw how big No Way Home was, and realizing that they have a ton of Spider-men to pull from, they’re apparently going to fill the film with every mainstream version they’ve ever had. The formula for comic book movies at the moment seems to be get ’em all together,” and Sony is doing this with their Spider-Verse. I have heard that pretty much every upcoming Spiderverse film released by Sony will tie into the other films, making them must-sees. The deal that they brokered with Marvel Studios allowed for Venom to stop by the MCU, and of course we also had Vulture in the best post-credits scene of all time.
They are going to be the main cast, with Andrew, Tobey, and Tom being used more as cool cameos.
However, the pair’s appearance here will very much lay the groundwork for things going forward with them, and they will be dropping in on Secret Wars too. From what I’ve been told, Kevin Feige wants this to be the biggest movie of all time, in which almost every major character from across every Marvel film returns in some capacity.
From what I’ve been told, they want a scene similar to the portal one at the end of Avengers: Endgame.
However, instead of just being restricted to the MCU, we’ll have multiple Marvel franchises converging at this point.
This will include Tobey and Andrew, Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, several X-Men cast members, the Fantastic Four, and so on and so forth.
Kang will have raved across multiple dimensions at this point, and it’ll be a final stand against him across the entire multiverse.
Whether this happens or not remains to be seen, and if they manage to bring back Wesley Snipes as Blade, then I’ll go mental in the theater.
It’s kind of obvious that that’s the type of thing they’d be planning for a big multiversal movie, but my source who told me has gotten a number of things right in the past. Whether it’s them making an educated guess or whatever remains to be seen, but this is apparently the quote-unquote endgame of Kevin Feige’s plans.
I think it would be amazing if they pulled this off… for like 3 weeks, and then everyone could go back to complaining about Marvel.
Now, in case you don’t know, the ending of Secret Wars in the comics caused several of the timelines to merge into the main one. Characters like Miles Morales had previously been a part of the universe, but he was brought in along with others that Marvel wanted in the 616. From what I’ve heard, this will be similar to what Marvel wants to do, with them being able to pick and choose X-men characters. Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellan are probably getting to the point where Marvel doesn’t want to base an entire franchise off of them, so in instances like this, I can see them going more towards the First Class crew.
Now, in order for all this to happen, Spider-Man 4 needs to come first.
According to Cosmic Circus, there are discussions going on at the moment over when it will be released, with the aim being that it’s a 2024 movie. This would put it at the end of Phase 5, and there were rumours that it would release on July 12th.
This would mean that it’s releasing two weeks before Thunderbolts, which I personally can’t see happening. I think it’s too close and that one of the studios would have to budge to give the other room to breathe.
Now, as for plot details, from all the rumours going around, this won’t actually build off the tease at the end of No Way Home.
That had Eddie Brock in the MCU, and he left behind a piece of the venom symbiote. Obviously, this is setting up the black suit coming to the MCU, which will then lead to Venom actually being in the main universe instead of the embarassing cousin Sony one.
I’m just playing; I actually like Let There Be Carnage.
In a sadistic way.
Anyway, Marvel originally had this big plan for how they wanted to bring Tom Holland in as Spider-Man and then slowly build up to this black suit. However, Sony started off their Venom franchise, which was disconnected from the MCU, and this caused a lot of trouble behind the scenes. From what I’ve been told, Tom Holland was actually meant to feature in it with a brief cameo, but Marvel Studios pulled the plug on it and said no way, homes.
Tom Holland’s Spider-Man’s Next Movie
They then did the new deal with Sony, and one of the stipulations was that their franchises connect to the MCU, which we saw play out.
So now Feige has basically yoked the Venom symbiote and put it in the MCU. Tom Hardy may be brought across at the end of the Secret Wars, and I’d love to see the convergence of the timelines combine him with the MCU.
However, it’s said that the next Spider-Man movie won’t actually focus on the black suit plotline and that they’re saving it for further down the line. In the comics, Spider-Man got his black suit in the original Secret Wars storyline. This is disconnected from the big multiverse that brings all the timelines together, but potentially they could just combine them. That’s purely speculation, but the focus for Spider-Man 4 is meant to be a more grounded one similar to Homecoming.
This coming-of-age story allowed us to see basically a week in the life of your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, and it was more about Peter navigating high school than taking on world-ending threats.
I really hope that this means we get payoff on that post-credits scene featuring Scorpion, because my man Mando has been waiting in the wings for far too long.
We could also use this to introduce Black Cat, a Gwen Stacy in the MCU, and really, the possibilities are endless.
You might have read tweets a couple weeks ago from Jacob Batalan that were taken out of context to make it look like he didn’t want a pay day.
Basically, it started with him saying that he was open to it but not hoping for it.
Lots of people didn’t read the full interview and kind of flipped out over this, being like, “Why do you not want to give us more Spider-Man movies, Jacob?”
However, the full quote reveals what’s going on with it. He said:
“I feel like actors are the last people to know. I think that people assume that actors are always hiding secrets. I promise you, we don’t know anything. But again, if it’s the right place, at the right time, with the right group of people that we’ve been with, I would say, “Why not? But other than that, whatever happens, happens. Really, those decisions are up to the big bosses, the people who sign the checks. We’re open to the idea, but we’re not hoping for it.”
So yeah, mate, no need to lose your s**t man, calm down, it’s just Twitter, pay your $8 so your tweets don’t get buried, and shut the f**k up.
Anyway, Sony has a lot on their hands at the moment, and we expect to see all their movies and characters connecting with each other across a number of mediums.
We have Kraven the Hunter now entering post-production; we are in the final weeks of filming on Madame Web; and of course, there’s El Muerto, the most hyped movie of all time, in development.
How Does Across the Spider-Verse Affect Secret Wars?
The one I’m looking forward to the most right now is Across the Spider-Verse, and I think it’s going to be a massive celebration of the character in more ways than the first one was. They are really aiming to have every single recognisable Spider-Man feature in it, and this will then plant the seeds for the rest of the multiverse movies that are coming from the Marvel stable.
Secret Wars is going to be something special too, with a lot of major characters appearing in it. I dunno how they’re going to actually keep it a secret, but yeah, lots of things to look forward to.
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With that out of the way, thank you for sitting through the video; I’ve been Paul, and I’ll see you next time. Take care, Peace
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